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Adopted Minutes
November 20, 2000
Board Meeting

Call to Order

The meeting was called to order at 6:05 p.m.

Roll Call

Present: Canady, Creamer, Holden, Jeffries, Patterson, Pelleran, Rasmusson

Additions/Deletions to the Agenda

There were no additions or deletions to the agenda.

Welcome and Building Information

Mike Adams, GM-Powertrain, Machine Tool Operations Plant Superintendent welcomed the Board to the North Lansing Technology Center, owned by Demmer Properties. Mr. Adams gave an overview on how General Motors Powertrain became involved in the renovation project and came to lease the building from Demmer Properties.

Bill Demmer, President, and John Dobrowlski, CFO of Demmer Corporation gave the Board an overview on how they acquired and updated the building.

Limited Public Comment Re: Agenda Items

MAHE Budget Presentation - Sally Pierce asked for this to be tabled until December.

Sally Pierce - You will notice MAHE is on the agenda to do a budget presentation, which will not happen. We will ask for that to be tabled until the December meeting, but since I am here, and since we have started negotiations, and since I just heard a presentation talking about creative problem solving and things that were doomed to happen, I am going to take a minute. We have started negotiating with management; MAHE has, last Friday, and are scheduled again to meet with management tomorrow. So we are looking forward to that, and I don't have a budget presentation but I have a couple of numbers I want you to think of. When we looked at the data for higher ed., they say the average salary for faculty in Michigan at two-year colleges is $55,000. That is more than our number, and I am sure that soon we will be having a conversation with Barbara about what our average number is. We have done a mean on the number we have gotten from the banner system, and I know that my mean is not the same as what she thinks is the average, so we will be talking about that. But we are significantly below the $55,000 figure, and I just want to remind you that this is really, really important to your faculty. I got an E‑mail today that came at 2:30 this afternoon from a faculty member. Somebody sent me an Einstein quote, so I am going to share it with you. It says, ?Now to the salaries of teachers; in a healthy society every useful activity is compensated in a way to permit a decent living. The exercise of any socially valuable activity gives inner satisfaction, but it cannot be considered as part of the salary and the teacher cannot use his inner satisfaction to fill the stomachs of his children.? Faculty is watching very carefully what this Board is about to do. I have said before and I have a theme that I have talked about before. I don't think it is a simple thing where you build buildings or take care of your people, I think you can do both. I just wanted to remind you about that and wanted to tell you my faculty are watching and are concerned.

Chairperson and Board Member Reports

Chairperson Report

Facilities Master Plan - Chairperson Jeffries stated that at the October meeting the Board was presented with the Facilities Master Plan. In the Board materials for the November meeting the Board received a copy of the Capital Outlay Request. He stated that the Board needed to take action on accepting the Master Plan and then to approve the submittal of the Capital Outlay Request as presented.

IT WAS MOVED by Trustee Canady and supported by Trustee Rasmusson to accept phase I and II of the Master Plan.

Ayes: Canady, Creamer, Holden, Jeffries, Patterson, Pelleran, Rasmusson

Motion carried.

IT WAS MOVED by Trustee Holden and supported by Trustee Canady to support the submission of the Capital Outlay Request.

Ayes: Canady, Creamer, Holden, Jeffries, Patterson, Pelleran, Rasmusson

Motion carried.

Board Member Reports

Trustee Patterson reported that he attended the ACCT Convention in Nashville and that he has already distributed information he received to the Board. He stressed that he thinks ACCT is really plowing some new ground for boards and colleges. He hopes that LCC takes advantage of the organization and actively participates.

Chair Jeffries stated that at the October meeting there was discussion about increasing the membership with ACCT. He wanted to know if we have heard anything as of yet.

Board Secretary, Christine Lopez, stated she has not heard anything yet.

President's Report

Informational Items

Restructuring ? President Cunningham stated that the Board should have received notice about the restructuring of BCI and the Careers Divisions. The restructuring of BCI was a strategic initiative that the Board asked her to take a look at. She is moving forward with the restructuring; hopefully the streamlining will take place without any interruption in services. The Careers Division and Information, Technology & Research are also being reviewed in terms of structure.

Tuition and Fees ? President Cunningham stated that Tuition and Fees would be on the agenda in December for action. She presented her recommendations to the Board: proposing a $1.00 increase in tuition beginning Summer 2001; eliminating the application fee of $10 fee; increasing the transcription fee from $2 to $5; and adding a $10 Virtual College fee for all Virtual College students.

Lab/Lecture Ratio ? Dave Davidson gave the Board an update on lab/lecture ratio. He said after considerable efforts by both parties they were unable to come to an option that was agreeable to both sides. They agreed to refer to the existing language for the remaining part of the contract.

Negotiations Update ? This was taken off of the President's Report to address in closed session later in the meeting.

Action Items

Approval of Minutes - The minutes from October 16, 2000 and October 30, 2000 were presented. President Cunningham made one correction on the October 30th minutes. Page 2, last paragraph: $9 million should read $900,000.

Trustee Creamer wanted to know why the minutes are done verbatim.

Chair Jeffries said that the minutes are the only official record the Board has about what they have done.

Audit Report ? Bruce Dunn gave the Board an overview of the Audit Report. (A copy of the Audit Report is on file with the official Board materials.)

Course Fees ? President Cunningham presented the 201 courses, out of the 854 total courses, for which course fee changes are proposed. Thirty of the courses have not previously had fees. The total net dollar increase as a result of the proposed changes is $117,000.

Trustee Patterson wanted to know what basis was used in determining which courses required changes and which didn?t.

President Cunningham said that there was a justification sheet that asks for details on whether the course required software increases or technology increases as well as other types of increased costs. Faculty complete the justification sheets and turn them in to a team that then reviews the requests and makes a determination.

Trustee Patterson said that in looking at the examples of the proposed courses, the fees seem very arbitrary. It looks like the process has been done piece meal, without a method.

President Cunningham said when you look at the course fee approval request for the EMT 102, Emergency Medical Technician, for example, it gives you the rationale and justification for the course fee increase.

Trustee Patterson said that it doesn?t seem to him that the increase is enough to cover the increased cost. He further stated he doesn?t see how it is possible that two-thirds of the courses have no increase in cost.

Provost Jennifer Wimbish stated that the increases are mainly in those courses that have an increase in technology.

Trustee Patterson asked if she was saying that the technology increases are covered by fee and not tuition, and if so, where do you break the two apart?

Provost Wimbish said there are certain things that the College looks at on the justification sheet that goes into the development of that course fee. There are some courses where technology increases are tremendous; rather than that cost being distributed to all students it is placed in the course fees of those courses affected.

Trustee Patterson stated since 653 courses have no increase, he doesn?t understand the basis by which some courses have increases. He wanted to know which courses have no increases.

Dean Jim Predko stated that some of the courses that have no increase in fees already have technology funds allocated to them. Everything is looked at on a course-by-course basis. There are some that have increased photocopying costs. Some changes are from no technology in the classroom to an incredible amount of technology in the classroom. In the Art area, there has been a switch to high-end computer labs.

Trustee Patterson then asked for verification that with all of the new technology, and so forth, it is being handled in the fee side and not the tuition side.

Dean Predko said, yes, tuition is separate from course fees. These fees are over and above what tuition is for the course.

Trustee Patterson wanted to know Dean Predko?s opinion on Architecture 283.

Dean Predko said the course required increased photocopying including large scale reproductions instead of standard 81/2? x 11?. This is an increase in instructional supplies.

Trustee Patterson again expressed that he cannot believe that there are three-quarters of the courses that don't have any kind of increased cost associated with them.

President Cunningham asked Trustee Patterson what information does he need in order to increase his comfort level regarding course fees.

Trustee Patterson stated from the Board's position, he thought the College should be looking at recovering expenses. He said as things move forward, it was his hope that the College would operate that way.

Trustee Holden said every year since she has been on the Board, the Board has looked at course fee increases. She asked how many course fee increases the Board reviewed last year?

President Cunningham stated she did not know the exact number, but percentage wise, this is the greatest increase the College has had in course fees in years. She further added that there may need to be some discussion about whether every course needs to be cost recovery. There are things that are considered besides cost. If the charge, from the Board, is that every course should be cost recovery, that is not a model we are attaching to every course. As far as recouping all of the costs, that is not what she understands as the charge. Some of the courses might have community impact element, and yet, we are offering it at a loss because it fits with our mission and vision. She said she heard Trustee Patterson mention every course being cost recovery and that is not her understanding. She would need clarification if that is the charge from the Board.

Educational Support Personnel (ESP) Ratification - Dave Davidson reported on the ESP contract ratification. The ESP ratified their contract within the Board's parameters. Upon approval of the President's Report, the Board will approve the contract.

Michigan Federation of Teachers (MFT) Tentative Agreement ? Dave Davidson reported on the MFT contract ratification. The MFT ratified their contract, and it also came in within the Board's parameters. Upon approval of the President's Report, the Board will approve the contract.

Compensation Adjustments for Non-Bargaining Administrators and Support Staff ? Dave Davidson stated that historically the same kinds of considerations and contract provisions for non-bargaining support staff and administrators have been given. Upon approval of the President's Report, he is asking for this to be considered as well.

IT WAS MOVED by Trustee Holden and supported by Trustee Canady to accept the President's Report as presented.

Ayes: Canady, Creamer, Holden, Jeffries, Patterson, Pelleran, Rasmusson

Motion carried.

Public Comment

Cassandra Browne, (LCC student): We were curious about the increase, and the fees. We would like to know if the increase would apply to all LCC students rather than just students who would take like CAD classes, or technology classes? My understanding, from what the gentleman was saying? if it is going to apply to all LCC students, then I understand that, but it just applies to students in the technology field because that constantly increases.

President Cunningham: There are two different fees. What was approved tonight -- and thank you for coming, we appreciate your involvement in this process. The course fees that were approved tonight were for specific courses that are offered. So if you take a course that has an increase of a course fee, that would apply to you but not all students. The Virtual College fee would apply to Virtual College students; it would not apply to all students.

Cassandra Browne: Would there be a fee that would apply to all students?

President Cunningham: That would be tuition and that will be taken up next month.

IT WAS MOVED by Trustee Canady and supported by Trustee Holden to go into closed session for the purpose of discussing negotiations.

Ayes: Canady, Creamer, Holden, Jeffries, Patterson, Pelleran, Rasmusson

Motion carried.

The Board entered into closed session at 7:38 p.m.

The Board returned to open session at 8:03 p.m.

Roll Call
Present: Creamer, Holden, Jeffries, Patterson, Pelleran, Rasmusson
Absent: Canady


The Chair adjourned the meeting at 8:05 p.m.

KP attended the 67th police academy graduation, and it was phenomenal. She was very impressed. She wanted to compliment the students and the staff.

The Chair moved to adjourn without objection.

The meeting adjourned at 8:11 p.m.

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